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“Aveuglement au système"
Introduction aux Cercles Restauratifs
avec Dominic Barter
2
00:00:03,360 --> 00:00:04,980
Oakland, Etats-Unis
Novembre 2009
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00:00:04,980 --> 00:00:10,080
My understanding is that after I've spent
a couple of hours with a group of people
4
00:00:10,080 --> 00:00:14,240
a justice system has been
established between us.
5
00:00:14,240 --> 00:00:19,600
And that if I don't think consciously
about what kind of justice system I would like,
6
00:00:19,600 --> 00:00:24,140
I will inherit the one I've
been given, by default.
7
00:00:24,140 --> 00:00:29,840
And then the results will turn up
and often I won't enjoy them.
8
00:00:29,840 --> 00:00:33,960
Now I suffer from "system blindness".
It's a condition that I made up.
9
00:00:33,960 --> 00:00:39,140
I made up my own diagnosis for myself.
It's the difficulty to see the presence
10
00:00:39,140 --> 00:00:43,940
of systems of group, ideas and behavior.
11
00:00:43,940 --> 00:00:48,060
When I inherit a justice system
non-consciously
12
00:00:48,060 --> 00:00:51,070
with a new group of
people who I'm hanging out with
13
00:00:51,070 --> 00:00:54,780
and then something goes wrong,
I'm very likely to describe what's happening
14
00:00:54,780 --> 00:00:58,260
in terms of our individual psychologies.
15
00:00:58,260 --> 00:01:02,700
As if the thing that had happened
was exclusively within any one of us
16
00:01:02,700 --> 00:01:05,640
or all of us individually.
17
00:01:05,640 --> 00:01:10,200
Then I will think that what I need to do to respond to that
is either get away from those individuals
18
00:01:10,200 --> 00:01:13,930
because unfortunately they're
problematic people who need more therapy,
19
00:01:13,930 --> 00:01:19,080
more meditation, you know,
different diets, whatever,
20
00:01:19,080 --> 00:01:25,660
or, I will try and do the same thing to me,
thinking that the problem is individually with me
21
00:01:25,660 --> 00:01:31,520
or perhaps I will go to war, and try to fix them,
22
00:01:31,520 --> 00:01:34,240
by changing them in some way.
23
00:01:34,240 --> 00:01:39,220
So I become interested over the last few
years in noticing,
24
00:01:39,220 --> 00:01:43,780
curing myself from "system blindness"
by increasing my ability to notice
25
00:01:43,780 --> 00:01:47,000
when there are systems present
26
00:01:47,000 --> 00:01:51,340
in my relationships, that I
haven't consciously chosen.
27
00:01:51,340 --> 00:01:56,000
For example, I didn't set up the chairs like this.
28
00:01:56,000 --> 00:01:58,580
Did you ?
29
00:01:58,580 --> 00:02:04,060
And here we are in a learning
relationship a classroom situation
30
00:02:04,060 --> 00:02:10,440
that none of us consciously chose and that
may or may not be serving us.
31
00:02:10,440 --> 00:02:15,780
So I'm fine with power imbalances,
when they're serving me.
32
00:02:15,780 --> 00:02:18,100
So this is a power imbalance
at the moment
33
00:02:18,100 --> 00:02:22,140
I'm speaking, I don't know
if you noticed, more than you guys are.
34
00:02:22,140 --> 00:02:25,780
I'm standing up most of you
are sitting down
35
00:02:25,780 --> 00:02:29,440
and the design of the chairs and the room
36
00:02:29,440 --> 00:02:33,940
is meant to make that make
sense and to support it happening.
37
00:02:33,940 --> 00:02:38,650
And as long as it is actually meeting
the need that it intends to meet,
38
00:02:38,650 --> 00:02:42,480
which is learning for all of us, I like it.
39
00:02:42,480 --> 00:02:45,860
But if I'm not conscious
that this is where I am
40
00:02:45,860 --> 00:02:50,440
if I'm not conscious about
having setup and sustaining the balance of things
41
00:02:50,440 --> 00:02:52,900
in the way that they are now
42
00:02:52,900 --> 00:02:56,380
and then it stops serving me
43
00:02:56,380 --> 00:03:01,780
then I don't like it so much.
44
00:03:01,780 --> 00:03:07,060
So this work starts
with me questioning:
45
00:03:07,060 --> 00:03:11,860
do I actually want
the current justice system I have?
46
00:03:11,860 --> 00:03:18,700
I will try to approximate myself to you guys.
Let's put that using formal justice to start with,
47
00:03:18,700 --> 00:03:22,980
because it's a little bit easier for us
to quantify on a national level.
48
00:03:22,980 --> 00:03:27,820
So are you okay
that one in every 34 of you
49
00:03:27,820 --> 00:03:33,400
is currently being penalised
by your judicial system?
50
00:03:33,400 --> 00:03:39,500
So one in every 34 Americans apparently
are currently under a judicial order.
51
00:03:39,500 --> 00:03:43,180
And 1 in every 200 of them
are locked up.
52
00:03:43,180 --> 00:03:47,820
Which apparently is the largest amount of
people ever locked up anywhere in the world
53
00:03:47,820 --> 00:03:52,600
and also the largest largest
relationship to the population,
54
00:03:52,600 --> 00:03:56,820
largest percentage of people in the country
currently imprisoned.
55
00:03:56,820 --> 00:04:05,780
And it means that 1.7 million children in the US
have a parent who is locked up.
56
00:04:09,300 --> 00:04:13,320
And normally in the cultural context
that I come from
57
00:04:13,330 --> 00:04:20,640
first of all growing up in North London
and then over the last 17 years living in Brazil,
58
00:04:20,640 --> 00:04:26,120
in those cultural contexts, I
had not chosen that strategy consciously.
59
00:04:26,120 --> 00:04:31,900
I was paying for it and I was kind of, by
default, sustaining it
60
00:04:31,900 --> 00:04:36,220
because I wasn't consciously questioning it
and rethinking it.
61
00:04:36,220 --> 00:04:41,080
I thought I was because I misunderstood
criticizing with questioning.
62
00:04:41,080 --> 00:04:46,500
So I was quite good at criticizing it
but I've learned that those two things
63
00:04:46,500 --> 00:04:54,180
criticizing and questioning are actually distinct.
At least that's how I experienced them.
64
00:04:54,180 --> 00:04:59,860
So I have been learning
to cure my "system blindness" by noticing
65
00:04:59,860 --> 00:05:09,300
that these responses continue
with my invisible silent or active support.
66
00:05:09,300 --> 00:05:14,180
And I don't like the results.
67
00:05:14,180 --> 00:05:19,740
And I've been teaching myself
to question the current ways in which we do justice
68
00:05:19,740 --> 00:05:24,260
and to experiment
with different ways of doing it.
69
00:05:24,260 --> 00:05:30,140
I have a question about your use of the word "system"
70
00:05:35,680 --> 00:05:41,540
When I was a school teacher I had an
exciting idea that I was happy with,
71
00:05:41,540 --> 00:05:46,200
which was that I would create
a space in the classroom
72
00:05:46,200 --> 00:05:52,700
where people could opt out of the lesson
without getting into trouble
73
00:05:52,700 --> 00:05:57,600
with their colleagues or with me and
without having to leave the room
74
00:05:57,600 --> 00:06:02,060
in which we were having the lesson.
Which was complicated for me because I was in Brazil
75
00:06:02,060 --> 00:06:08,180
and in Brazil I'm legally responsible
for those people for the time of the lesson.
76
00:06:08,180 --> 00:06:11,540
So if I can't see them
and they're wandering around the corridor
77
00:06:11,540 --> 00:06:14,640
then there's legal risk for me.
78
00:06:14,640 --> 00:06:18,620
So I created a space in the room
where the students could go.
79
00:06:18,620 --> 00:06:24,980
That was day one. That seemed to me
to be possible and exciting.
80
00:06:24,980 --> 00:06:28,460
It was well received by the kids.
81
00:06:28,460 --> 00:06:32,020
After about five seconds
after I'd made this suggestion
82
00:06:32,020 --> 00:06:34,700
and people were smiling and
going wow that's different
83
00:06:34,700 --> 00:06:37,860
yeah I like that,
this teacher's weird.
84
00:06:37,860 --> 00:06:43,100
One of the kids turned to me and he said:
"And if the headmaster comes in through the door
85
00:06:43,100 --> 00:06:49,360
then will you protect me from him?
if I'm sitting in the corner with my feet up
86
00:06:49,360 --> 00:06:53,600
you know reading a book or doing the
homework that I want a hand in in the
87
00:06:53,600 --> 00:06:56,510
next lesson and I'm so stressed because
I haven't done it that I can't
88
00:06:56,510 --> 00:06:59,540
concentrate on this one so I've taken
ten minutes out to finish my homework
89
00:06:59,540 --> 00:07:02,220
and then I'll come back to the lesson.
90
00:07:02,220 --> 00:07:06,080
If the headmaster comes in
will you stand in between me and him?"
91
00:07:06,080 --> 00:07:09,740
I immediately realized my naivety
92
00:07:09,740 --> 00:07:13,000
because no I didn't have structural power
93
00:07:13,000 --> 00:07:16,440
to be able to protect the student
from the headmaster
94
00:07:16,440 --> 00:07:22,260
if the headmaster decided that what the
student was doing was "wrong".
95
00:07:22,260 --> 00:07:28,180
That student gave me a quick lesson in
the presence of a system
96
00:07:28,180 --> 00:07:31,560
which our classroom was within
97
00:07:31,560 --> 00:07:35,100
and that I was unaware of.
98
00:07:35,100 --> 00:07:39,480
So that for me is a concrete example
of the presence of a system
99
00:07:39,480 --> 00:07:44,540
and how easy it is, especially
in a culture which believes that everything is about
100
00:07:44,540 --> 00:07:48,020
individual choice and decision making and empowerment
101
00:07:48,020 --> 00:07:51,660
to forget that there are
these systemic contexts
102
00:07:51,660 --> 00:07:56,860
which we sustain but by
sustaining them they are bigger than us.
103
00:07:56,860 --> 00:08:01,640
So if I'm getting what you're saying
you're referring to the structure
104
00:08:01,640 --> 00:08:05,120
and the legal financial psychological
105
00:08:05,120 --> 00:08:11,000
emotional setup that's in operation
106
00:08:11,000 --> 00:08:16,800
with our willing agreement or non willing
agreement, we're present in it.
107
00:08:16,800 --> 00:08:18,000
Yeah.
Ok.
108
00:08:18,000 --> 00:08:23,140
When it becomes large or habitual enough
to be self-sustaining
109
00:08:23,140 --> 00:08:28,200
then I experience it as being different
from my individual choices.
110
00:08:28,200 --> 00:08:34,200
And then I want a name for it so that I can teach myself to become aware of it and question it.
111
00:08:34,200 --> 00:08:38,160
So I'm using the word "system"
as that name.
112
00:08:38,160 --> 00:08:40,180
Thank you.
Chears.
00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:03,360
“Aveuglement au système"
Introduction aux Cercles Restauratifs
avec Dominic Barter
2
00:00:03,360 --> 00:00:04,980
Oakland, Etats-Unis
Novembre 2009
3
00:00:04,980 --> 00:00:10,080
My understanding is that after I've spent
a couple of hours with a group of people
4
00:00:10,080 --> 00:00:14,240
a justice system has been
established between us.
5
00:00:14,240 --> 00:00:19,600
And that if I don't think consciously
about what kind of justice system I would like,
6
00:00:19,600 --> 00:00:24,140
I will inherit the one I've
been given, by default.
7
00:00:24,140 --> 00:00:29,840
And then the results will turn up
and often I won't enjoy them.
8
00:00:29,840 --> 00:00:33,960
Now I suffer from "system blindness".
It's a condition that I made up.
9
00:00:33,960 --> 00:00:39,140
I made up my own diagnosis for myself.
It's the difficulty to see the presence
10
00:00:39,140 --> 00:00:43,940
of systems of group, ideas and behavior.
11
00:00:43,940 --> 00:00:48,060
When I inherit a justice system
non-consciously
12
00:00:48,060 --> 00:00:51,070
with a new group of
people who I'm hanging out with
13
00:00:51,070 --> 00:00:54,780
and then something goes wrong,
I'm very likely to describe what's happening
14
00:00:54,780 --> 00:00:58,260
in terms of our individual psychologies.
15
00:00:58,260 --> 00:01:02,700
As if the thing that had happened
was exclusively within any one of us
16
00:01:02,700 --> 00:01:05,640
or all of us individually.
17
00:01:05,640 --> 00:01:10,200
Then I will think that what I need to do to respond to that
is either get away from those individuals
18
00:01:10,200 --> 00:01:13,930
because unfortunately they're
problematic people who need more therapy,
19
00:01:13,930 --> 00:01:19,080
more meditation, you know,
different diets, whatever,
20
00:01:19,080 --> 00:01:25,660
or, I will try and do the same thing to me,
thinking that the problem is individually with me
21
00:01:25,660 --> 00:01:31,520
or perhaps I will go to war, and try to fix them,
22
00:01:31,520 --> 00:01:34,240
by changing them in some way.
23
00:01:34,240 --> 00:01:39,220
So I become interested over the last few
years in noticing,
24
00:01:39,220 --> 00:01:43,780
curing myself from "system blindness"
by increasing my ability to notice
25
00:01:43,780 --> 00:01:47,000
when there are systems present
26
00:01:47,000 --> 00:01:51,340
in my relationships, that I
haven't consciously chosen.
27
00:01:51,340 --> 00:01:56,000
For example, I didn't set up the chairs like this.
28
00:01:56,000 --> 00:01:58,580
Did you ?
29
00:01:58,580 --> 00:02:04,060
And here we are in a learning
relationship a classroom situation
30
00:02:04,060 --> 00:02:10,440
that none of us consciously chose and that
may or may not be serving us.
31
00:02:10,440 --> 00:02:15,780
So I'm fine with power imbalances,
when they're serving me.
32
00:02:15,780 --> 00:02:18,100
So this is a power imbalance
at the moment
33
00:02:18,100 --> 00:02:22,140
I'm speaking, I don't know
if you noticed, more than you guys are.
34
00:02:22,140 --> 00:02:25,780
I'm standing up most of you
are sitting down
35
00:02:25,780 --> 00:02:29,440
and the design of the chairs and the room
36
00:02:29,440 --> 00:02:33,940
is meant to make that make
sense and to support it happening.
37
00:02:33,940 --> 00:02:38,650
And as long as it is actually meeting
the need that it intends to meet,
38
00:02:38,650 --> 00:02:42,480
which is learning for all of us, I like it.
39
00:02:42,480 --> 00:02:45,860
But if I'm not conscious
that this is where I am
40
00:02:45,860 --> 00:02:50,440
if I'm not conscious about
having setup and sustaining the balance of things
41
00:02:50,440 --> 00:02:52,900
in the way that they are now
42
00:02:52,900 --> 00:02:56,380
and then it stops serving me
43
00:02:56,380 --> 00:03:01,780
then I don't like it so much.
44
00:03:01,780 --> 00:03:07,060
So this work starts
with me questioning:
45
00:03:07,060 --> 00:03:11,860
do I actually want
the current justice system I have?
46
00:03:11,860 --> 00:03:18,700
I will try to approximate myself to you guys.
Let's put that using formal justice to start with,
47
00:03:18,700 --> 00:03:22,980
because it's a little bit easier for us
to quantify on a national level.
48
00:03:22,980 --> 00:03:27,820
So are you okay
that one in every 34 of you
49
00:03:27,820 --> 00:03:33,400
is currently being penalised
by your judicial system?
50
00:03:33,400 --> 00:03:39,500
So one in every 34 Americans apparently
are currently under a judicial order.
51
00:03:39,500 --> 00:03:43,180
And 1 in every 200 of them
are locked up.
52
00:03:43,180 --> 00:03:47,820
Which apparently is the largest amount of
people ever locked up anywhere in the world
53
00:03:47,820 --> 00:03:52,600
and also the largest largest
relationship to the population,
54
00:03:52,600 --> 00:03:56,820
largest percentage of people in the country
currently imprisoned.
55
00:03:56,820 --> 00:04:05,780
And it means that 1.7 million children in the US
have a parent who is locked up.
56
00:04:09,300 --> 00:04:13,320
And normally in the cultural context
that I come from
57
00:04:13,330 --> 00:04:20,640
first of all growing up in North London
and then over the last 17 years living in Brazil,
58
00:04:20,640 --> 00:04:26,120
in those cultural contexts, I
had not chosen that strategy consciously.
59
00:04:26,120 --> 00:04:31,900
I was paying for it and I was kind of, by
default, sustaining it
60
00:04:31,900 --> 00:04:36,220
because I wasn't consciously questioning it
and rethinking it.
61
00:04:36,220 --> 00:04:41,080
I thought I was because I misunderstood
criticizing with questioning.
62
00:04:41,080 --> 00:04:46,500
So I was quite good at criticizing it
but I've learned that those two things
63
00:04:46,500 --> 00:04:54,180
criticizing and questioning are actually distinct.
At least that's how I experienced them.
64
00:04:54,180 --> 00:04:59,860
So I have been learning
to cure my "system blindness" by noticing
65
00:04:59,860 --> 00:05:09,300
that these responses continue
with my invisible silent or active support.
66
00:05:09,300 --> 00:05:14,180
And I don't like the results.
67
00:05:14,180 --> 00:05:19,740
And I've been teaching myself
to question the current ways in which we do justice
68
00:05:19,740 --> 00:05:24,260
and to experiment
with different ways of doing it.
69
00:05:24,260 --> 00:05:30,140
I have a question about your use of the word "system"
70
00:05:35,680 --> 00:05:41,540
When I was a school teacher I had an
exciting idea that I was happy with,
71
00:05:41,540 --> 00:05:46,200
which was that I would create
a space in the classroom
72
00:05:46,200 --> 00:05:52,700
where people could opt out of the lesson
without getting into trouble
73
00:05:52,700 --> 00:05:57,600
with their colleagues or with me and
without having to leave the room
74
00:05:57,600 --> 00:06:02,060
in which we were having the lesson.
Which was complicated for me because I was in Brazil
75
00:06:02,060 --> 00:06:08,180
and in Brazil I'm legally responsible
for those people for the time of the lesson.
76
00:06:08,180 --> 00:06:11,540
So if I can't see them
and they're wandering around the corridor
77
00:06:11,540 --> 00:06:14,640
then there's legal risk for me.
78
00:06:14,640 --> 00:06:18,620
So I created a space in the room
where the students could go.
79
00:06:18,620 --> 00:06:24,980
That was day one. That seemed to me
to be possible and exciting.
80
00:06:24,980 --> 00:06:28,460
It was well received by the kids.
81
00:06:28,460 --> 00:06:32,020
After about five seconds
after I'd made this suggestion
82
00:06:32,020 --> 00:06:34,700
and people were smiling and
going wow that's different
83
00:06:34,700 --> 00:06:37,860
yeah I like that,
this teacher's weird.
84
00:06:37,860 --> 00:06:43,100
One of the kids turned to me and he said:
"And if the headmaster comes in through the door
85
00:06:43,100 --> 00:06:49,360
then will you protect me from him?
if I'm sitting in the corner with my feet up
86
00:06:49,360 --> 00:06:53,600
you know reading a book or doing the
homework that I want a hand in in the
87
00:06:53,600 --> 00:06:56,510
next lesson and I'm so stressed because
I haven't done it that I can't
88
00:06:56,510 --> 00:06:59,540
concentrate on this one so I've taken
ten minutes out to finish my homework
89
00:06:59,540 --> 00:07:02,220
and then I'll come back to the lesson.
90
00:07:02,220 --> 00:07:06,080
If the headmaster comes in
will you stand in between me and him?"
91
00:07:06,080 --> 00:07:09,740
I immediately realized my naivety
92
00:07:09,740 --> 00:07:13,000
because no I didn't have structural power
93
00:07:13,000 --> 00:07:16,440
to be able to protect the student
from the headmaster
94
00:07:16,440 --> 00:07:22,260
if the headmaster decided that what the
student was doing was "wrong".
95
00:07:22,260 --> 00:07:28,180
That student gave me a quick lesson in
the presence of a system
96
00:07:28,180 --> 00:07:31,560
which our classroom was within
97
00:07:31,560 --> 00:07:35,100
and that I was unaware of.
98
00:07:35,100 --> 00:07:39,480
So that for me is a concrete example
of the presence of a system
99
00:07:39,480 --> 00:07:44,540
and how easy it is, especially
in a culture which believes that everything is about
100
00:07:44,540 --> 00:07:48,020
individual choice and decision making and empowerment
101
00:07:48,020 --> 00:07:51,660
to forget that there are
these systemic contexts
102
00:07:51,660 --> 00:07:56,860
which we sustain but by
sustaining them they are bigger than us.
103
00:07:56,860 --> 00:08:01,640
So if I'm getting what you're saying
you're referring to the structure
104
00:08:01,640 --> 00:08:05,120
and the legal financial psychological
105
00:08:05,120 --> 00:08:11,000
emotional setup that's in operation
106
00:08:11,000 --> 00:08:16,800
with our willing agreement or non willing
agreement, we're present in it.
107
00:08:16,800 --> 00:08:18,000
Yeah.
Ok.
108
00:08:18,000 --> 00:08:23,140
When it becomes large or habitual enough
to be self-sustaining
109
00:08:23,140 --> 00:08:28,200
then I experience it as being different
from my individual choices.
110
00:08:28,200 --> 00:08:34,200
And then I want a name for it so that I can teach myself to become aware of it and question it.
111
00:08:34,200 --> 00:08:38,160
So I'm using the word "system"
as that name.
112
00:08:38,160 --> 00:08:40,180
Thank you.
Chears.
